Anna Howe 0:04

Welcome to Vitality by Design. The podcast where we explore what it really means to live longer. We're your host, Anna and Carrie.

Carey Howe 0:16

Coming to you from Costa Rica on to one of the world's newest uh longevity isn't a twend, it's a way of life.

Anna Howe 0:24

Each week we dive into the science, strategies, and mindset behind optimal health and intentional living, blending modern longevity research with the rhythms, values, and wisdom of life well lived. Because longevity isn't just about adding years to your life, it's about adding life to your years. Let's dive in. Welcome back to Vitality by Design. Today's conversation is one we've been looking forward to for a long time.

Carey Howe 0:56

We're sitting down with Dr. Ronald Bonilla, oral surgeon, speaker, and a leading voice in longevity and functional dentistry, not only here in Costa Rica, but worldwide.

Anna Howe 1:07

But what makes this conversation especially meaningful to us is that Dr. Bunia is also the visionary behind Venova Longevity Clinic.

Carey Howe 1:15

The model, the philosophy, the integration of systems, that all started with him.

Anna Howe 1:20

And what drew us in immediately was how aligned his thinking is with what we believe at the deepest level, that the body is not a collection of separate systems, it's one of interconnected network.

Carey Howe 1:32

So today we're stepping into that perspective, his journey, his methodology, and how health may be one of the most overlooked drivers of health and longevity.

Anna Howe 1:43

Yes. So welcome, Dr. Bonilla.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 1:45

Thank you so much. So wonderful to be here with you guys. Great.

Anna Howe 1:50

Um, let's start at the beginning. Uh, what uh led you to this to this path?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 1:57

To question the system.

Anna Howe 1:58

Yes, to question the system.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 2:00

To question the system, you gotta be part of the system. So I think it all started when I was working at La Caja, which is our social security service. And uh it's a very interesting thing because we have the third best social security for health in the world. But in a matter of attention, we're able to cover a lot of the people population's needs, but at the same time, the system itself, I think it's a little obsolete. And I explained to you why. When I started working at La Caja, we used to have a long waiting list. It was a four-month waiting list. So I started working extra uh seeing pay additional patients and extra hours with my assistants so we can dec decompare decompress all of that excess of need. So we used to see 50 patients a day when we regularly should have seen 23. That obviously helped us to see a wider range of patients and generate much more experience on how to treat them. So it's important to understand why a dentist is a longevity. And it is because you know you might think, like, what's dentist have to do with this? And it is because we are responsible for treating the two most common diseases in the world, which is dental cavities and the periodontal disease, which is GAMS disease. Okay, the problem with Gum's disease is that it is a chronic disease. We're supposed to not have a cure for it, and that periodontal disease, it's completely linked to 98% of cardiac problems. So I'm gonna explain a bit of how it works so you don't get bored. But basically, it it is its root cause, it's anaerobic bacteria, which is bacteria that only reproduces in oxygen-free spaces. We also have um the other kinds of bacteria, aerobic bacteria that are involved, but they're not as aggressive. So these organisms are very simple organisms. They're just made out of a lipopolysaccharid membrane, which is by the components of the membrane. And that membrane, by definition, is a toxin. So we've all seen the marketing of oral health products, right? They get rid of 99% of bacteria during 12 hours of action. Right? If you brush your teeth twice a day, you'll eliminate 99.999 or 100% of bacteria 24 hours a day. If you brush your teeth every day, 365 days a year, right? The thing is that we not only have bad bacteria in our bodies, we also have good bacteria and good microorganisms, as we've been uh widely describing in science about the microbiome, right? Yes. So now I already told you that bad bacteria mainly reproduces in oxygen-free spaces, but microbiome needs oxygen in order to be healthy and in order. So what happens is that when I started dealing with periodontal disease, I used to approach it with a regular mechanism, which is we use antiseptics for 15 days, chlorexidine, triclosan, fluoride, alcohol. So we get rid of 199% of bacteria. But how it works is that they break away the membranes of these bacteria, they genetically modify them, so the bad bacteria gets resistant. Right? But in that mechanism, what we do is we break away the membrane, bacteria dies, membrane steals. And the membrane is the toxin itself. So that membrane travels through your blood flow, it gets stuck in your arteries, and that's why it's linked to 98% of cardiac problems. Also, your kidneys, they filter every drop of blood from your body every 20 minutes. And your kidneys have ribosomes where these bacteria membranes get stuck, calcified, and they generate kidney stones. They also go to your pancreas, they block the betasol productions, which are in charge of signaling the production of insulin, so it's linked to diabetes. And we also find them in 97% of peta-amyloid plaques in Alzheimer's Parkinson's patients. So it's also linked to neurodegenerative. It's also linked to colon cancer, pancreatic cancer, all kinds of cancers. And it's also damaging for your microbiome. So bad bacteria damage your microbiome. All right. So that's the problem itself. But this is the kind of thing where you don't know if the problem is is really the problem, or the way we fix it is even even makes it worse. Why? Because, as I said before, these antiseptics, they eliminate and genetically modify 99% of bacteria for 12 hours. Twice a day, 24 hours. So when you genetically modify your bad bacteria, it becomes resistant. But what happens when you genetically modify your microbiome, which is 36 billion cells that are in charge, or organisms, sorry, that are in charge of the production of most of your serotonine, most of your lymphocytes T, which is immune system, and more than 300 metabolic and enzymatic processes. Since we've been using these regular everyday products, we've been since 1970, which we started using this as oral everyday products, we're basically facing the sickest generation in humanity. Obviously, we cannot address all of the problem to the oral uh product. So I'm gonna I'd like to go a little deeper on because we need to, in order to understand what how we can get healed, we need to understand what gets us sick. Yeah. So the main factors of sickness in the world are three genetics, toxins, viruses, bacteria, prototypes, fungi, um, heavy metals, 5G, and biomechanics. We're gonna try to address all of them so we can go in order understanding what why that gets us sick and what's the tools that now we know that we can have on hand to treat all of those problems. So basically, it all started at La Caja when I was doing the Social Security because I started seeing that right, you come with periodontal disease, I give you the regular protocol, which is antiseptics for 15 days, antibiotics for a week, and that is common to use at least three or four times a year.

Carey Howe 8:48

Right. I mean, that would be my question is like, how did it go from working at the CAHA and being just a uh not a dentist and then switching into you know the Venova clinic that you run now and and it's longevity and it's got all these other treatments? How did it how did it switch for you from being just a dentist to to taking these these uh this knowledge that you have and and turning it into what you have?

Anna Howe 9:15

Yeah, like what was your aha moment?

Carey Howe 9:17

Like yeah, when did you realize like, okay, I'm I'm not a dentist, that this is what my mission is, and and switch gears? Like, how did that happen?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 9:25

I think it's probably a little romantic because it was it's not mine, you know. Like I gotta be completely honest with you. I'm a firm believer that we all come here for a purpose. And if you let God work through you, and I don't want to sound like I'm a you know, someone I'm not. I'm a spiritual guy, but I'm not a religious kind of person. But I firmly believe in God. And I I knew that if I just placed my heart and my soul and my brain in the service of others and in the right place, aligned with my values, somehow God was going to give me the tools that I needed to build something that was bigger for me. And and this was something super organic because they the it's always aha moment, it's been like for the past 10 years, because first I started noticing that I was actually getting my patients worse because I started getting all of these common denominators that they started with periodontal disease. And as I treated them, doing three times a year antibiotics, which you know that one intake of antibiotics takes the body two years to recover. Imagine using them three, four times a year chronically.

Carey Howe 10:30

Yeah.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 10:31

So I started questioning why my patient starts with uh periodontal disease and in a matter of a year is absolutely depressed, has um problems with the digestive system, chronic inflammation, they start to develop autoimmune disease. What's going on? What am I doing wrong? If I have my intentions placed in the right place. And that's when I understood that unfortunately the hell is completely filled with good intentions. It doesn't matter how good you want to do. If you're not responsible for what you're doing and you don't question yourself, you'll never find that that truth, you know, that we're all looking for.

Carey Howe 11:06

Yeah, I mean, that that's got to be a hard switch, right? Because um, you, you know, you're a dentist, you've been trained in a traditional manner and and you traditional thought, you know, uh, of this process, and and you know, how to switch it? Are are you going against your teachers and the method? And and does this be, you know, become an argument with with some of these people that are your respected elders in the field and and whatnot, and how did that work out? Like how do because now you're uh you know, you've obviously moved forward, but I just wonder when that's you know, how difficult it was dealing with explaining yourself what you know to be true now and how that relates to what what traditional medicine is saying was true or is true.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 11:51

Yeah, to be disruptive, you definitely need a kind of character, you know. You gotta be, I would say, brave enough to not only question yourself, but also bring those questions to the people that train you and just swim against the tide, you know, because there's a really huge bias around health in general, especially when you have uh a firm education in dentistry or medicine, you're thought on how to do things, and and that people is not expecting you to cross any line, you know. That's what I mean. You know, it's like so obviously socially it was a big thing. I've been fighting for this for the past six, seven years. And I've at first, obviously, you have all these people that on your back, they say, like, is this guy's probably drugged. Like, what is he talking about? He's probably looking for the money and looking for the conflict of interest while you or he's trying to be famous or whatever. But now, as time always does, truth is truth, you know? Yeah, you can try to make up it as much as you want, but at the end of the day, it's a matter of time.

Carey Howe 13:03

And so has there been um, you know, scholars that you respect and from from great organizations have come to you now and said, hey, I've questioned your theory and I think you're right. Or, or, you know, um what you've been saying is is correct. Because I mean, to me, when I talk to you, I I it makes sense. You know, you have a tremendous way of explaining things in a simple way, complicated things in a simple way. And um I just wonder if some of those sort of traditional dentists and the great minds from Harvard and Stanford and whatnot have come to you now and said, hey, you know, your theory is correct or could be correct, or how well are they how how well do they sort of take that information now?

Anna Howe 13:50

Can I sorry, can I interject really quick? What we're talking about is what you developed is uh the Taurus method, is what we're talking about. So if you could uh elaborate on that, that would be all right.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 14:01

So yeah, the uh thankfully it's been like an organic testing for the concept itself, because in order for you to know if you're doing things right or not, first you need the clinical experience, which I was testing, I've been testing that for years, and then you need to validate it with science and sitting in front in front of people that you need to quite to question you, you know? Yeah, so since we all have that imposter syndrome somehow, in my case, what I did is I try to just get as much information and solid um science as possible to try to back it up. So the Taurus concept, it's called Taurus because it's not only based in health studies or health sciences, it's extrapolarized for astrophysics and quantum physics, which is our which is the language of how we're made of, you know? So I digg a little deeper. And if we can, we I'll give you like a quick tour on on why the Taurus concept and its characteristics. So we need it, we needed to understand that we're not only biological beings, right? This is a vehicle, this is matter. So I always say that one of the biggest problems that we're facing right now in health is that we have a really solid Newtonian vision for reality. We think in Newtonian terms, right? Because Newton, even though he was a genius and he invented, he discovered the laws of gravity and he invented applied mathematics and then he turned 26. Um, he he limited by his time, he couldn't go deep enough. So I always suggest that we have to migrate our vision more like a Tesla kind of vision. That he used to say that in order to understand the secrets of the universe, you have to think in terms of energy, vibration, and frequency. And that's what we're made of. So white Taurus. Let's bring those concepts to the body. If we decompose the body, we'll have systems, we'll have organs, we'll have tissues, we'll have cells, organelles. And on when you get to the tiniest particles, we'll get to the subatomical particles, right? Photons, protons, gravitons, squarks, etc. If you take a look at them, they're just electricity, they're just light. And that is what composes the atom. But the atom in its essence is 99.309% free space, empty space, or full space, or or something that it's there pushing uh everything. And a 1%, it's a or 0.001%, it's a balanced, organized energy flow that is geometrically represented as the torus. So we can find the torus in the atom, we can find the torus in the cells, we can find the torus in the cardiac torus, which is a cardiac measurement, we find the torus in the way the storms behave, we haven't defined the torus in the growth of the trees, we find the torus in the magnetosphere of the earth, the galaxies, clusters and superclusters. And that's when you understand that from the smallest particle to the biggest galaxy, it all behaves the same. It's the language of the the intelligent design that made us right.

Carey Howe 17:15

So you mentioned something else, frequency. Like I believe that like everything operates on a certain frequency, right? And so um how does that relate to the Taurus method? And and um how how do you how do you see that part of it?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 17:32

So everything in the universe is just pol uh polarities, you know, the universe is made out of polarities, up, down, in, out, inhale, exhale, yeah, everything good, bad waves, the tide, waves, music, everything space, every frequency, right? And a wavelength, right? Exactly. So what we're looking for is for that frequency to oscillate in our bodies. For example, Walter Brefert Cannon is the father of homeostasis. Homeostasis is the description of the balance of every system and organ in our body. When it's balanced, that's health. When it's unbalanced, that's unhealthy. So, what are we looking for in health and in life to oscillate in the in the in a wave that it's not that dramatic, you know, not that polarized, but it's it it will always oscillate. So as everything in your universe, it's made out of frequencies like the radio. Either you're vibrating in an abundance frequency where you have health, abundance, love, peace, you know, all of those high vibration frequencies, or you're vibrating in ignorance, resentment, have sickness. Low frequencies. Low frequencies, low frequencies. And what is going to adjust the needle, it's your habits, your habits, your behavior. So that's why in Vnova and in the Taurus concept, we have a different approach for health because it's a very responsible and empowering approach where we put our our heart in the table and we try to educate our patients as much as we can so they have enough tools to take informed decisions on when, how, and when they want to direct their energy and their treatments. And uh I think that's a very one of the main differential factors that we that we offer, you know, and and and that's how I can relate the vibration and the frequency to health.

Carey Howe 19:33

It's really that's a brilliant name, by the way, Taurus. I love it a lot. And uh so let's say I am listening to this podcast and I'm like, you know, hey, I I want to get involved and trying to build myself into operating in the correct frequency. And I wanted to visit the clinic. How would it work if I walked into the clinic and said, hey, I know I want to do this, I don't know what it is, but how would you help me? How does it start? How does it how do you work a protocol for someone? How does that part of it work?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 20:05

What we always do, it's a three-step program where we first you cannot treat what you don't understand. Right? Regular medicine approach is very palliative. They just turn off the symptoms so you don't have all of that pain or or uncomfortable feelings, but in the end, you don't know if the root cause is just growing bigger. We do it completely opposite. We try first have an interdisciplinary health approach with an in a really big team of specialists that we check every case individually. So we go deeper in the diagnose stage where we try to understand it through your blood test, uh, through your interview and your medical history, and then basically we always suggest like microbiome tests, genetics, epigenetics, and we get to see like a wider vision of how you how your body works and what's harming it. So once we have that uh in picture, we explain to our patients, okay, so you're going through this, this, this, and all this, because this is this is what got you here, you know, this habits, this genetic uh heritage uh problem or this environment or things you mentioned. Exactly. So okay, we can now clean all of the things that that have you here sick, but we need to make adjustments for those harming habits and toxins not to be around that much. And so we first identify, then we try to clean everything because we need to understand that the biggest organ in our bodies is not the skin, it's the fascia or the matrix. It is made out of 300 kinds of proteins and 28 kinds of collagens, and it behaves by an astrophysical concept of tensegrity. Tensegri is the capacity that two objects have to be close or away, but always linked, either flexibly, flex flexible or a little more rigid. As we grow old, that's why we've all heard the saying that we're as flexible as we're as we're as young as we're flexible, right?

Carey Howe 22:19

Right.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 22:19

And this is why you've seen that kids are super flexible, they can put their feet in their mouth, and you know, they don't have any restrictions basically.

Carey Howe 22:26

Correct.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 22:27

So that helps the lymphatic drainage to take away all of the toxins. As we grow old, we start to smoke, to drink, a little uh you get you become more sedentary. Yeah. And that fascia, and before after 30, you don't produce that much collagen. So that fascia starts to get dehydrated and stiff.

Carey Howe 22:48

Yeah.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 22:49

And instead of being flexible, it's a little rigid. So it becomes a toxin trap. And you know that it's also said that trauma it's it's uh backed or uh it's um it's stored in your fascia, and it's true because we have epineural channels inside of our fascia. Like, and this is also where we can see all the frequencies and how we are by electrical beings, because um in our nervous system, everything is communicated by electrical stimulus, right? Right, and our nervous system, like if you grab all of your nerves, the smallest ones and the biggest ones, and you put them all together, generate you'll generate a straight line of more than 40,000 kilometers. That's enough to get two rounds to Earth. Crazy, huh? Yeah, and that means that everything is connected through the nervous system, and we have presence of the nervous system in the fascia. So, what happens? Trauma gets stored in the fascia, toxins get stored in the fascia. So, what do we do? We analyze the interstitial fluid and we analyze the fascia. We have the osteopath and all of the different tools that thankfully we have in a clinic. So, what we do is once we identify your problems, let's say it's in your mouth, let's say it's somewhere else, we start a detox protocol. In that detox protocol, if you have periodontal disease or heavy metals in your mouth, let's say you have amalgams. Amalgams was the classic best treatment for cavities. And it it's basically the worst because amalgam is made out of 49% plumber, copper, silver, and zinc, and 51% mercury. Poison, cancer, yeah, it's a carcinogen, right? Exactly, it's a neurotoxin. Mercury is the most toxic element in the in the periodic table after the um uh how you say the radio uh radioactive elements.

Carey Howe 24:50

Wow.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 24:51

And you have them in your mouth.

Carey Howe 24:52

So mercury in their mouth still.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 24:55

What's the problem with it? It's a very big discussion because all days or the old way dentistry, actually, a lot of actual dentists still say that no, that it's a lie. Amalgam uh is not bad and it doesn't get any mercury out of it, and we're designed to eat mercury in our fish, so nothing happens. That's a lie. Yeah, the mercury in the fish is liquid mercury, it stays in your body for 19 days, but also fish has selenium, and selenium produces glutathione, which is the antioxidant that gets that mercury out. Yeah, but the mercury in amalgams, it's a gas, it's a vapor.

Carey Howe 25:33

Yeah.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 25:33

And it travels directly through your brain, it goes through the blood-brain barrier and damages your neurons. It also damages your nervous system and damages every tissue that it has in contact with. So, what do we do? We take out the amalgams in a really good protocol. What else do we do? We try to analyze your fascia, we do somatic therapy. We get rid of it, we try to slowly get rid of that trauma in your fascia. So we move that lymph. So, like through lymphatic massage and yeah, photon machine, negative oxygen machines, hyperbarics, ozone. We have several different methods that we get to detoxify the body, you know, and then comes the regenerative um part. Where one now, once the machine is clean, yeah, it's the moment to put the oil on, you know? And then yeah, they can then you can put the superfuel in. Exactly.

Anna Howe 26:27

Well, but that takes a lot of effort from the client as well, because they can eat clean and exercise and all of those things and have their oral, you know, everything great. But then what if they live in a toxic environment mentally? You know, their nervous system is shot, even though they're doing all these things, and for the moment it's right, but it takes effort to slow down your, you know, if you live in a in a house where you're fighting all the time or in the in a job that's stressful and you're, you know, constantly a distress, you can, you know, the everything that you do, all the therapies, they work, but it takes a lot of effort for someone. It's not a magic thing, just like peptides now that's so popular. It's not a magic bullet, you know, if you're if you're not right constantly, and it takes work, I know, and he knows. Like wake up in the morning, you have your routine, you have your things, you go and and go to Vinova and get all these, you know, things and really work hard at helping your body. It's it's you know, it's a lot, but but people do need to know that it's not magic. You have to put in your work too.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 27:30

That's why since the beginning, I said we practice responsible and empowering medicine because you know I'm never that kind of person who will tell you this is the secret and magic solution for your problem. It's a lie. We're not gonna fix 30 years of bad habits in a week, you know?

Carey Howe 27:51

Yeah.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 27:51

But we'll offer you consciousness, we'll offer you education, we'll offer you compromise, we'll offer you values, and we'll offer you a solid concept to improve everything because we need to understand that everything, specifically the kind of problem that you're descripting, the the that is like more anxiety, depression, everything is neural, it's a neuro um neuropsychoendocrine problem, right? It's neurological, it's psychological, and it's hormonal. So let's say you only go to the psychology, right? But you have that physical feeling of emptiness and and sadness, what we do is that we for with non-invasive neuromodulation, we try to bring down and calm your autonomous nervous system, your parasympathic, or activate your parasympathic so you can physically feel better and your therapy will just go deeper. Because you know, if you calm the physical aspect, neuro psychologically it will improve. And it is a snowball because it's all connected, like you said, right? Harvard used to say since 1940 that 98% of disease, it's an emotional problem. That's because back then they didn't have that much toxins in the environment and damages, you know, uh all around. But why is that true? Because Hanseli, Hungarian-Canadian doctor from 1943, he describes the two mechanisms of stress. Low stress, which is the positive stress, right? You're playing tennis and you're competitive, so you get all of this adrenaline, noradrenaline, all of these neurotransmitters that are very important for your health. But if that is long-term, let's say you're a financial bankruptcy or a divorce or a loss, that stress, that cortisol, doesn't behave in peaks. It just climbs. And cortisol, it's a toxin. Even though it's necessary, it's still a toxic for your microbiome and for your fascia. Right. Okay, so that can be emotional. All right. But now we know that we have all of these toxins as oral health products, as uh ultra-processed foods, as heavy metals, as everything that in that is in the environment that has the same effect.

Carey Howe 30:16

I mean, even our phones or like low-level stress constantly. I got emails, I got you know, and and you know, uh, all these things that that we're subjected to on a daily basis, like um when someone comes in to the clinic, you put them on what machine would you put them on to de-stress them or or to to get them level? Because I know that I walk in the clinic and I see all these people and they're super happy. They're like, ah, I love this place. And not a single prescription is written over there. I've never seen a prescription book there, right? And the most healthy people that I've ever seen, right? And so how tell me a little bit about like how do you de-stress people? Because I think that's a big problem across the world. You know, we have this low-level stress. I'd like to know how I could get de-stressed in a 20-minute situation or 40-minute, 50-minute, whatever it takes. How would how do you do that?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 31:08

That's the beauty of it. We always I always like my patients to have experiences and not just me convincing them.

Carey Howe 31:17

Yeah.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 31:17

So if you come to a clinic and you have like an anxiety disorder, what we always recommend is a first initial session of non-invasive neuromodulation. That we do that through three machines. We have the photon machine, right? Because photons regulate the mitochondrial function and the microbiome's function. NESA, which is non-invasive neuromodulation through bioelectricity, and we also have PEMF, which is biomagnetism. So, depending on what we discussed in your interview, I would advise one of them. Once your nervous system is calmer, you feel more comfortable to take decisions. So I never like my patients to take decisions on a rush. You know, I always like my patients to understand that this will always be a shared responsibility, and it will depend a lot on how they take the inside of what we're discussing and how open they are to change their habits. Because we're not God. You know, we're we're vehicles from his message that hopefully you can get it through and it can help you, but we're not able to even like if God doesn't you know, like get in the middle when someone is doing something that probably is not the best for him, we're we won't be able to do it.

Carey Howe 32:32

Right. So no, but I love that. I mean, what you just said. And the thing that clicks with me is because in a normal situation, let's say I go to the doctor in the US and I explain the situation you just described. He's gonna give me some kind of pill and say, call me in two weeks, let's see how your stress level is. You know what I mean? And and and it's not like that at the clinic. And that's the brilliant thing about it.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 32:55

And also the problem is the system itself, because you're diagnosed with depression with the same same method that Lincoln was diagnosed 200 years ago. Yeah, it's just an interview. You come in, you it doesn't matter if it's just an episode. You come in, let's say you broke up with, I don't know, you're you're you're in bankruptcy. You know, you're going through something very complicated.

Carey Howe 33:20

Right.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 33:21

And you come to me and you explain me that you cannot sleep, that you're going through all this. It's obvious that you're going through all that.

Carey Howe 33:28

Right.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 33:28

You know, but there's several tools that I might hand you that can regulate your autonomous nervous system or your nervous system in general, depending on the case. Of course, there's cases of cases. I don't want to satanize the the you know psychiatrist either or criticize. I just mean like there's cases that I don't believe that there every case needs any depressants. It's like I had a uh I've seen many things, for example, people that go for uh meningitis to the neurologist and come out with antidepressants. Yeah. So where I want to go is that still today, we don't take a look at microbiome patients to see if we're probably running out of academia, which is one of the of the bugs that are related to serotonin production. So maybe I can treat you with your you know, with your nutritional plan. I don't ask you if you do exercise enough or if you ground or if you take sun, you know, if you have sunbats, which is basic to feel good. You know, we go directly to pharmaceuticals. And that's why I do not agree, because we've experienced tons of patients with chronic anxieties and depression, and they improve a lot through these methodologies.

Carey Howe 34:49

Yeah. No, that's what was very sorry, well, that's what was very interesting to me because you know, most of my adoptive areas, it's my entire life, is the doctor has a prescription pad right in front of them. You sit down, the prescription pads right there with the pen, right? And he's writing three prescriptions, you're halfway through talking to him. He's already got you on Xanax and some other, you know, I worked in high uh high stress environments like sales floors, financial services, you know, stuff that moves all the time. And if I won't go to the doctor, he's gonna just subscribe me Xanax and some other calming method. And then I say, well, then I can't concentrate in the daytime. And then he's gonna give me another pill for, hey, take this one in the day. You know, like so I'm like, wow. And I've never seen a prescription pad at your clinic. And I just see a lot of people with good energy that are actually getting their symptoms reduced by these methods that you talk about, right? Like anything. And so they're again, and then and then what you mentioned in the first part that 80% of a lot of our health problems are from the mouth, right? And so I know that my dentist has never talked to my cardiologist if I'm having a heart problem. And and so in your clinic, explain to me a little bit about how the the doctors work together and not in silos, like most most of what I'm used to my whole life.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 36:15

It's because of what we try to promote, and it is having uh an unified backbone of attention. Since we all work in the Taurus concept, we know that everything's entangled and there's specific problems that will generate not not only will never generate isolated consequences. Yeah, they will always generate like a snowball of um systemic effects. So thankfully, we've already described all of those communications. So whenever a patient comes in, we once we do the diagnosis, we understand how your periodontal disease is going to be linked to your to your heart problems or even to your depression. Yeah, because if you have periodontal disease, that disrupts your microbiome. If you do antiseptics, that disrupts it even more, so you're no serotin' production. And it's crazy how we can get to help people from cardiac like uh heart problems or neurological disorders by fixing their mouth and obviously getting rid of the problems systemically. So it's it's it's very challenging, of course, because we need to integrate um several visions in one, but it's it's the way that we've been seeing the best results. I can tell you a couple of examples of patients if you want.

Carey Howe 37:36

Yeah, tell me. I I mean it's fascinating to me because uh you know you by just cleaning up the mouth, you've you've healed, you know, you've told me some of these stories. I want you to tell people because I think they're absolutely fantastic.

Anna Howe 37:48

Absolutely. And I have really one quick question. And do you think that the separation between dentistry and medicine will ever, you know, will that ever come together? I mean, is that separation is like the next 10, 20 years, where do you see medicine going?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 38:04

And I'm I I'm pretty optimist about this. I think that what we've got in our hands is going to change the world. And I think it's a matter of time, definitely, because this it's it's been widely described why we need this. You know, it's not if we want, we really need it. But thankfully, I feel that collectively it's been like uh a consciousness awakening in the past six years since COVID. I think that people have been, you know, waking up a little more. So, and you see it all around, especially in the States, which is something that it's innate. You know, never in in human history such a big country has done a migration of health policies in such a short amount of time, with all of these um disclosures of things that used to be like the conspiracy theories, and now it's reality.

Carey Howe 39:03

Yeah.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 39:04

And and this was one of us, you know, like at first I was treated like a like a like a crazy guy, you know. But now results talk. We don't have one sick patient in the clinic, and that's solid.

Carey Howe 39:16

So tell if there's somebody listening that might um you know might have one of these conditions that you describe, and um they would might want to hear a story. Tell me a story of like how you've you've changed people's lives by just cleaning up some of these things without pills, without anything. And and like obviously this has moved you right in a direction, you know, where you're going right now. And and and I see that, yeah, you this is uh life-changing stuff that's happening, right, you know, with your hands at your clinic and before your eyes. But just give us a few examples of of like some great stories you've seen over the last couple of years or something like that.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 39:55

We have hundreds of stories, but I'll tell you one that that is very recent and that involves the biological part of the toxins with the biomechanics.

Carey Howe 40:04

Okay.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 40:04

Right. So um this this is a 36-year-old patient, super, super young patient. No family records on autoimmune disease or cardio problems or any kind of disease, very healthy guy. He's he would he got married super young, so he was always like into sports and health because he had kids, you know, that that people with kids just see life differently. Yeah, so he will all be he's been taking care of himself, but not that much about his mouth. So he comes to me and he tells me, I have periodontal disease, I have bruxism, which is the clinching, I have uh sleep apnea, I have uh heart arrhythmia, I have dysbiosis, I have chronic inflammation in my digestive system, and I have depression and anxiety. All right. So I asked him, what started first? What was the first thing? He tells me, first I started with the mouth bleeding. All right, what do you do? That was eight years ago, okay? So I went to the periodonist and he was amazing because I was good for far to six, five months. Okay, and then I went again and he did the same treatment again. And then he did it again. Every four months, I used to get antibiotics and antiseptics. And then what happened? I started having digestive problems. I couldn't, I couldn't. Yeah, I was having a lot of troubles digesting my food, and I started with gastritis, colitis, all of the problems that inflammation gets in your intestines. And then I started clenching my mouth, and then I lost some teeth. Okay, and then what happened? I started with neck problems and back problems and hip problems, and I couldn't go to the gym anymore, so I gained weight. And then I developed this sleep apnea. Got more weight, my bite is not right, and then the last thing is now I'm a I'm a cardiac patient because now I have uh syncope. I have a heart arrhythmia. All right. So I run a microbiome test in into him, like to understand his how how how his uh immune system was working, and we found a lot of really bad mouth bacteria in his mouth, uh in his intestines, that it's toxic for the intestine. So it was an unbalanced. There the dysbiosis came. But he obviously had a le a very few of good bacteria, like he said, whole dysbiosis. So what happens? Periodontal disease, he starts to swallow those bacteria, dysbiosis. Antiseptics, antibiotics, more dysbiosis. When we get rid of all those uh bugs that we have inside of our intestines, we lose the protection of the inner part of the intestines. So those intestines start to get like um how you say like small holes, like uh leaky gut. Leaky gut, yeah. So we have that permeability that has those toxins because there's not much nutrients, who were supposed to be nutrients coming out of those intestines, generating inflammation in your mesenteric area. So what happens? You don't have the best nutrient absorption, you start with anxiety and depression, and when all that inflammation comes out of your intestines, you press the vagus nerve, which is in charge of your autonomous nervous system. Heartbeat, breathing, yeah, and the vagus nerve, it's intricately connected to your trigeminus. The trigeminus is the nerve, the motor and sensitive nerve of the face, which if It was not only the first nerve to conform when you're when we're in our mother's womb, but in the sixth week, the brain starts to form. In the seventh week, you start to form the dental germs. And after the dental germs comes neurogenesis and the conformation of all the neural tube. So first it was the dental germs, nerves, and then the rest of the neural system. So the trigeminus is the nerve that has the most amount of space in the brain, and it's intricately connected to the bagus. So when you have inflammation in your bags, that inflammation is going to press also your trigeminus. And what happens? You start to clinch. That's why people with gastric problems, they all clinch. Ah, interesting. It's all connected. All connected. What happens when you have bleeding gums and you start to clinch and you have bone loss, you start to lose your teeth. And then you biomechanically affect the balance of your body. Because we are, by definition, the only explanation for our existence is a metaphysical explanation. So we're bioelectrical, biomagnetical, biological, and by consequence, biomechanical beings. So as I said before, gravity pushes all the same to the center of the earth, and gravity is that force that we're designed to distribute equally. So let's say you lost teeth on this side, you're overloading the masseteers, the strongest muscle in your body, on one side. But those forces are gonna have to be compensated. So what happens? Your neck compensates, your shoulders compensate, your back compensate, your hips compensate, your knees. So now we know that biomechanically, if you have TMJ problems, you'll have 87% more risk of having problems in any other joint or muscle. That's biomechanical. But also you're your knee problem could be related to this nerve problem where you're clenching your teeth. Yeah, now we're talking about biomechanics. But we also have here the lymphatic uh, well, there's lymphatic ring, thymus, tyroids, tongue, uh, a bunch of structures that are very delicate. And with that chronic and distribution of forces, they generate noise, inflammation. So it's also linked to failure in those organs. And when you have the overgrowth of your masceteers, and the gastrics, and uh sternocladomastides, and the the muscles of your master, your masticatory muscles and neck, you're going to overgrow them and they're intricately connected to the bagoster. So, what do they do?

Carey Howe 46:34

Depress it.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 46:36

So, on the way down, what happens? Heart arrhythmia. So all of his problems, all of them were linked to the periodontal disease.

Carey Howe 46:48

So you literally cleaned up his mouth and and they disappeared.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 46:52

No, we it it's it's it's yes, but it's it's a little more complex because you're dealing with long-term consequences in a patient that it's already been chronic.

Carey Howe 47:03

Right.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 47:03

And he has autoimmune and and all, and also he had another problem, the sleep apnea. What happens? You lose your teeth, so he lost the balance in the TMJ. So what it does comes back.

Carey Howe 47:14

Right, yeah.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 47:15

And it pushes the airway. Uh-huh. So now he also has another problem that is linked to anxiety and depression, is lack of oxygen. So, what did we do? So, first, microbiome test, genetic, everything, we analyzed this case. Then we detoxed him, we regulate them the periodontal disease, which we're the only ones on earth who give 100% guarantee that we control periodontal disease and cavities. Like, I don't have any any sick patient of that. It's a chronic disease, but we get to deal with it in a way that it doesn't come back. Wait, that's an important point.

Carey Howe 47:49

I I want to focus on that. You're saying if if you get the chance and you can scan someone's mouth and clean it up and do all these things, that you're giving a hundred percent guarantee they won't get periodontal disease.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 48:06

Yeah. If they follow our concept and their instructions, which is nothing complex, right, is living a regular everyday life, but using the right product and using the right method, and coming every six months to the clinic to get a dental cleaning, they'll be healthy. And well, what are the right products? All right, so you remember that bad bacteria mainly reproduces in organ in oxygen-free spaces.

Carey Howe 48:34

Correct.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 48:35

And microbiome needs oxygen. So we use oxygen-based products as blue M that will only kill bad bacteria while improving your immune system and your microbiome function. Also, oxygen is the main component for healing, for collagen synthesis, so it will accelerate any kind of problem that you have. It also gives back saliva to the patients who have cancer, chemo, or radiotherapy, and is the only product in the world that it's recommended for pregnant women, cancer patients, and an autoimmune disease patients. So it's not toxic. Not at all. This is it's lactoferrin, which is one of the best natural antibacterials. And that same lactoferin has a really big action in mitochondrial function. So that's how we get rid of the bad bacteria in general, like anaerobic or aerobic.

Carey Howe 49:34

And at the same time, you're saying that the oxygen is is killing the bad bacteria in your mouth. It's it's actually feeding the good bacteria in your gas. It's like a natural kind of like everything's connected. We keep going back to this, and you know, the Taurus method, right? And so it really is. Everything is connected. It is.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 49:56

Even us, every it's it's wonderful because I always like to show a picture in the in the conferences about the fascia, and you see how it everything is linked. And then I show a picture of a dark telescope of the universe, and it looks the same. You know, creation manifests itself in the same way, in indifferently on the size of the creation, you know? It's the language of God. And actually, there's a really good book that I always recommend.

Carey Howe 50:23

Wow, nice.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 50:25

So, yeah, when we use these products and we use the right methodology, we get to heal 100% of our patients. Thankfully, to date, I've in 11 years, I haven't had a case that we've not been able to help. And I say it like openly: if you have periodontal disease and you haven't been able to regulate it, I can guarantee you, or you get your money back that we're gonna be able to help you.

Carey Howe 50:48

I don't see why anybody wouldn't do that. I mean, exactly. No loss. It's crazy, right? Yeah. Fantastic. You have some questions?

Anna Howe 50:57

Yeah, I had a lot of questions for the doctor, but um I wanted to finish the story about the patient.

Carey Howe 51:03

Yeah, that's very I got so excited about the guarantee of the the the no sickness.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 51:09

So we fixed the mic the periodontal disease, then we we improved the microbiome. Obviously, this takes months through diet through a genetic and microbiome-based nutritional plan. Plus, we detoxed him systemically and orally, and we regulated his autonomous nervous system. All right, so in a matter of three months, in a matter of two weeks, he we we also used MESER. MESER is the most advanced artificial intelligence system on earth to TMJ repositioning. So with this system, we get to position his mouth in the right position, so we got rid of sleep apnea in a matter of three days. In a matter of two weeks, his anxiety was very much controlled because we did non-invasive neuromodulation and he was able to breathe, of course, now that he was able to sleep.

Carey Howe 52:06

That changed his life. Gigantic how important sleep is.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 52:09

Since his cardiac problem was not cardiac, but was nervous, non-invasive neuromodulation regulated his arrhythmia, no arrhythmia. In a matter of 15 days, he's been a year completely free from arrhythmias. Cardiologist says, miracle.

Carey Howe 52:25

That's crazy, huh?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 52:27

Yeah, and now he's in the moment to do stem cells, which we know that we're going to fix. We're gonna do muce AT cells, which are more focused on neurological problems, disorders. So we're really confident that that's gonna help him a lot. We did it with Juan Paulo. We have a uh patient, a friend, who had a stroke. Everyone told him you're never gonna walk again. We've been working with him for six months. We applied first stem cells like three or four months ago. Then he just did a new uh batch in Panama in another clinic. Um, but with the first one, he had like before the first one, he started walking. In a matter of two months, just with our with our premedity care, he started walking. Now he's like 80, 70 something percent recovered. Yeah, and he yeah, he went. I I always make my patients' decisions. He looked for a place that apparently has really good neurological um systems. And I told him, you go try, man. Like this is your this is your body, this is your your your your health. I know that we can offer you something that is really, really good, but if you trust them and we want to experience, you know, feel free. You have your house, your your home is here whenever you want to come back. And he's obviously coming back. But um that's part of some cases we get to that we get to help without using regular treatments or just telling our patients there's no solutions or options. We don't bring solutions, we we give options, we give hope.

Anna Howe 54:00

Yeah, that makes me think about it.

Carey Howe 54:02

It's a great story.

Anna Howe 54:03

Yeah, it's a great story.

Carey Howe 54:04

But you now you've mentioned something that I want to ask as well. So you mentioned stem cells. Like um you had talked to me before, you know, outside of this podcast about a protocol that you use. Um that really is a pre-and-post stem cell treatment that sort of guarantees that the stem cells that are injected in have a better chance of propagating and growing and and and uh instead of just dying off, which happens to most.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 54:36

Yes, the the thing is that we need to understand what stem cells are, you know, because we're there's a lot in the very fashion right now. Yeah, it's a it's a buzzword, right?

Carey Howe 54:45

You know, stem cells. Like what are they? What different types are they, and and how do you and how is it that you differentiate from anybody else?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 54:55

The thing is that stem cells are scavengers for chronic inflammatory processes, right? Yeah, what they do is that they dissolve those processes and they have the regenerative capacities to build back what was damaged. So let's say you're coming for your knee. You have your knee is damaged, so you have knee problems, and you come here and we do stem cells. We put the sandwich technique, we get systemic and local stem cells, and you go back home, and in a matter of two years, you're back with the same problem. So we do stem cells again. That's palliative care. What differentiates us is that we need to understand what happened to your knee. Obviously, if you had an accident, you had an accident, you know. But where does this come from? Well, take a look at your TMJ. So let's say that your problem was not in your knee, it was in your TMJ. And we didn't fix your TMJ. What's going to happen? You're gonna have a knee problem again. And we placed the sandwich thingy. So we did systemic stencils and and local, but you have periodontal disease. It's killing them off. And you have a chronic inflammatory infection in your mouth that it's traveling to the rest of your body. And what's gonna happen with those stencils? How effective are they going to be? It's like taking the car to the to the shop and doing the ceramic treatment without washing the car first. Like you're coming from the beach and you want to put the ceramic in your car, but it's all dirty. So you put the ceramic, it will last two days, and the third day it will come down.

Carey Howe 56:35

Right. So the pre- and post-treatment and and and attacking the root cause, which you which is a terminology you keep saying that that uh you attack, it's gonna help the chances of those stem cells. Because people have asked me, they're like, um, oh, that guy, uh, you know, Dr. Brunilla, how long does his stem cells last? And I thought that's a weird question. Like, I'm sure it's different for everybody based upon what I know from you is is what condition their cells are in before they take them and after they take them, right? And so, what are some of the things that you do pre-stem cells and post-stem cell that sort of guarantee the yeah?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 57:18

I'm very conscious of basis expectations, you know. So in stem cells, you can never guarantee.

Carey Howe 57:24

Okay.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 57:24

So, but but what helps us to to have better prognosis or better pre more predictability in our cases is that we do uh first a very deep analysis on what's going on in your body, and we do a very deep detox stage. And I don't mean the detox that, you know, like parasites and all that, because of course, if you need it, you need it. But I need it, I mean a systemic detox, oral, physical detox. We use the photon machine, we use several machines that helps to get rid of all those toxins. And we also get a lot of help from the hyperbaric. We have a three atmosphere with the only three atmosphere transparent hyperbaric chamber in the in the country with an amazing hyperbaric therapist who's got more than 5,000 hours of therapy. So he's kind like to me, he's amazing. And what hyperbaric helps us is not only to have all of those healing processes going, like vas dilatation, angiogenesis, oxygenation, but also it helps to have better, a better, I said, like uh better conditions for the cells to work. So, and also we use lasers, we use non-invasive neuromodulation, so the mitochondrial and the glia is working better. So we just what what we think that it's very different is that we get the vehicle in shape for it to be painted.

Carey Howe 58:56

So then when you put the ceramic on, exactly, it will last right. And then after the stem cells, is there anything in particular that you would do afterwards?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 59:07

Or do they go back in the hyperbaric? We always recommend hyperbaric, uh-huh, non-invasive neuromodulation, because stress is something that will always be in the picture. Let's say you're traveling from the States, you're coming to a third world country, yeah, to Costa Rica, you know, like you know what you're gonna get.

Carey Howe 59:21

Yeah.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 59:22

So since stress is one of the our biggest enemies, we regulate it through several techniques that we have, and we want it to keep low for the healing process. So we hand our patients like everything that he needs to know in the long term to improve the results, and we manage those therapies at the clinic.

Carey Howe 59:42

Wow. I could go on for hours. Every time I talk to you, I like I notice something new, and and you do it in such a great, elegant way. I really, I really love the way you speak.

Anna Howe 59:54

Um, so in closing, about really Venova, is that um when a client walks into Venova for the very first time, what do you want them, how do you want them to feel and what do you want them to understand?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 1:00:06

We always say that at Vinova, we want to be like that listened prayer, you know? So we want people to feel at home, we want people to feel welcome, we want people to feel that they can be themselves and they're gonna be listened. They want we want people to feel important because they are. So, in a matter of vibe and values, I think that those are the most important things for us. We really want to transmit that.

Carey Howe 1:00:32

Yeah.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 1:00:32

And clinically, we'll always offer our best. We'll always we are really committed to our patients, so we'll always offer the wider range of treatments and education and opportunities that we might hand to our patients. If I could describe it, I think it's something like that. I I feel like, as I said before, we're just tools. So we want people to get enough consciousness of how they can uh take advantage of those tools, you know?

Anna Howe 1:01:01

I love that. That's very well, very good.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 1:01:03

That's great.

Carey Howe 1:01:04

I mean, if I would you know put it all together, it's like uh yeah, you're creating an experience on top of the treatment, right? And so in a normal situation, you walk into a doctor's office, you say, Hey, I'm here for this. Um, here's how much money it is. Swipe my card, you give me the treatment, I walk away. You know, and but at your place, it's different. It's like an experience, and how someone feels, you know, coming in and leaving is two different things. You know, I it's very, very important.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 1:01:36

That's what we look for, yes.

Carey Howe 1:01:37

Yeah, it's awesome.

Anna Howe 1:01:39

Great. Well, thank you. We've had such a great conversation, and we're so happy that you were able to come here today and share everything, uh, your knowledge, your philosophies, and and yeah, I don't think this will be the last time.

Carey Howe 1:01:51

No, no, so we've only scratched the surface this year. Definitely just cracking the surface every time, like I said, every time I learn something more, and um, I want to learn more from the business.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 1:02:01

Thank you, brother. Likewise. No, it's a real pleasure always to hang out with you and have these wonderful conversations. I really hope that yeah, we can people get a lot of value out of it. And hopefully we can, you know, go deeper in several areas because first we need to describe all the concept, and then we can just talk about specific topics. Oh, yeah.

Carey Howe 1:02:21

So um, just in parting, if is there anything lastly you want to say about Venova or just tell somebody who's like very interested, like I want to go there, you know, um, I'm interested in this. How does that look? And and how many days would they need to take to get you know a good diagnosis and and you know, have you look at see what the root causes of maybe some of their problems are and maybe get started on some of the um optimization of get them getting back to health?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 1:02:48

Well there's the best scenario that we can get. Right. There's a medium one and there's you know what we can do. At bare minimum, right. I get it.

Carey Howe 1:02:56

At bare minimum, let's just say what do they have to do with that?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 1:02:58

I say that if you don't live in Costa Rica, we would need at least a week for you to feel like in a matter of first day, you're gonna feel it. First day at the clinic, you're definitely going to feel it, and you're going to see it. Right. We'll show it in your myomarkers, we'll show it in your cells, you're gonna see it. Yeah, but if we want something that is going to last at least some months, I would say at least a week. Best case scenario, two weeks. Ten days, ten working days. Because that way we can do a really uh uh deep diagnosis, really good detox treatment, and if they want to do any kind of stem cells or or or treatment, we can make it happen.

Carey Howe 1:03:37

Well, nobody hates coming to Costa Rica for two years, I can tell you that. So and if someone comes here, there's would there be time for them to go see some of the sites here in Costa Rica, fairly close to the clinic and whatnot?

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 1:03:50

We can we can organize the trip. If people's looking for us to do a little tourism, we'll organize the trip so they can do some therapies while they're on the trip.

Carey Howe 1:03:57

Yeah.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 1:03:58

And that I'm sure reduces the strepless level down to the volcano. Exactly, which is what we're looking for. So depending on what you're coming from, you know, if you're coming for dental surgery, we treat you one way. If you're coming for a complete detox, it's another way. But we we have a saying that uh that uh a good rooster can sing in at any hen house. So whatever time you give me, yeah, you will make it happen. And at least you're gonna have enough education to make the adjustments at home. Well, great.

Carey Howe 1:04:28

Great.

Dr. Ronald Bonilla 1:04:29

Well, you are one good rooster. That's great. All right. Thanks, Bob. No, thank you so much. It's been wonderful.

Anna Howe 1:04:36

All right. Well, until next time. Um, thank you so much for listening and um live intentionally, stay curious, and design your vitality. We'll see you next time. Thanks for spending time with us today. If this episode sparked something for you, be sure to subscribe so you don't miss what's interesting.